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Post by Shirou on October 2nd 2013, 10:33 pm

As we previously talked about, we're considering having a drive system for forms. What this means is that instead of expending MP for forms, you expend Drive Gauges. This means you have more MP to use, as well as more use of forms.

There are some concerns:
1. This would prolong fights even more, due to more resources.
2. This would make endgames noticeably more powerful.
3. We would be giving too much power without enough drawbacks.
4. Suppression magic wouldn't work the same.

Here are some pros:
1. A good form costs quite a bit of MP, so you usually have to choose between using spells or using a form. This is less true for endgamers, because they have MP, which means that in a way, they are already more powerful in an unfair way.
2. As there have been a want for more MP. Rather than raising the MP cap, this would just move a type of ability to a different, individual system. More MP to use without actually raising the cap.
3. As mentioned before, this allows members, no matter if they're new or endgame, to use both forms and magic. Most often, people have to choose between using a form in battle or using spells in battle. I myself can count the amount of times I've used a form on two hands, because I wanted to save my MP. This would effectively, at least in my opinion, make fights more intense and strategic, and adds more of a fantasy aspect.
4. While in some cases they can prolong fights, they can also shorten fights by going all out and being more intense.
5. Suppression magic would still work, but it would need specific wording.
6. While yes Endgamers would be more powerful, it wouldn't make a difference in comparison to fight newer members. It would be like either one hitting a newer member with magic, or one hitting a newer member with a form. In addition, all members would be more proportionately powerful.

What do you guys think? Do you guys agree with the concerns, or with the pros? Are you split? Do you have a new opinion?

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Post by Beta Genesis on October 2nd 2013, 10:41 pm

I honestly agree with this arrangement. Even though I may not be a big enthusiast when it comes to the use of forms. It just makes much more room for equals grounds and combat potential. Too many times has one been restricted by the cost rack ups of mp. With this new gauge system. It just makes options a lot more accessible to the user.

There are a couple of other benefits I would point out too. But I'm going to avoid putting up a full rant. Just know that I support the idea of this system. I see no problem in it as far as I am concerned. It works well when given proper thought.
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Post by Fletcher on October 2nd 2013, 10:43 pm

I, personally, see nothing wrong with allowing forms to have their own form of cost instead of using MP.

I have to ask though: would there be any kind of prerequisites added to being able to activate a form in battle?

I would find this helpful to slow down an overpowering end to a stalemate or anything like that. What I mean by a prerequisite is something like a charge to activate (have to wait x posts before or after activation), being completely still for x posts or something like that. I think that would be a decent drawback to using forms.

A suggestion I also have is why not make it to where Form Gauges have to be purchased or applied for? It might make it harder to get and therefore less likely to be handed out like candy as it would if everyone got it by default after getting a form.

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Post by Paleo Ansem on October 2nd 2013, 10:47 pm

I agree cause this is sweet and I like it and It sounds awesome so let's do it, cause honestly I feel everyone may benefit from this.

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Post by Yukina Tarka on October 2nd 2013, 11:34 pm

This is a good idea.
It allows more flexibility with what we can use in a topic because yeah, at the moment I feel like forms are underused because they often don't have as much lasting impact as other uses of MP can.
I think this would be a good change to implement.
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Post by Jeremi on October 3rd 2013, 12:39 am

I've been for the idea of a Drive Gauge since the OLD site.

Because, at the end of the day, the real power is in versatility, in ANY character. And, this gives us that.

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Post by Oriel on October 3rd 2013, 2:49 am

I agree with the idea completely.

Like yeah it gives more power but I've barely seen people use forms.. Plus if I were going to make a form it usually wouldn't be til I had a lot of MP because it would make it more useful or I'd be able to use one then still have mp left to fight with..

A drive gauge would make it so there's more options in battles..

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Post by Lenneth on October 3rd 2013, 2:54 am

can't hurt to try, anything new reason why it could go wrong we could always change it back. Lets give this a honest try even for those with their doubts

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Post by Yima on October 3rd 2013, 9:53 am

Do people think that the drive gauges should be interchangeable through abilities with mp so someone could get one from the other?

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Post by Azmot on October 3rd 2013, 6:00 pm

Yes. If it's not like that, I'm generally opposed to it because it's an extra resource for one niche thing and it would be cool to have a different resource to cast magic with.

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Post by Zeferoth on October 3rd 2013, 8:59 pm

I am for this idea. I used to use my forms a lot until I learned I needed to conserve my MP during fights. I think this would be a great change and will improve the flow of fights.

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Post by Yukina Tarka on October 3rd 2013, 9:19 pm

Yima wrote:Do people think that the drive gauges should be interchangeable through abilities with mp so someone could get one from the other?
No.
I think this kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it? If the reason we're adding this is to make forms more accessible and a more realistic option to use, then this doesn't really make sense. Adding the option to convert one resource into another will probably just result in everyone converting all their resources into whichever one offers them more potential power, and we'll just have the same thing we have now where no one uses forms and just converts all their drive points or whatever into MP.
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Post by Lenneth on October 4th 2013, 12:36 am

I'm against the conversion just since i do believe what yuki is saying to be true.

I'd much rather see drives being used just for forms rather then it just being possible pumped into something else. Just to make newer creative ideas with what they got rather then go around it.

Plus we'd need a scale then between the differences to even match out what does what against the other. Which would make this too much of a cacluated numbers game.

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Post by Zeferoth on October 4th 2013, 9:19 am

Yeah I think that the conversion will ultimately be more trouble than it would be if it was just used for forms

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Post by Etzolix on October 4th 2013, 7:53 pm

If the purpose of Drive Gauges is to make Drives more useful, due to other means being a more efficient use of mana, then we shouldn't allow them to be used in place of Magic.

Another reason I oppose this if the Drive Gauges are implemented is because the potential transfer of Drives to Magic would mean that we'd be giving users an extra, potential, 300 MP.

I do think they could be used as requirements for other abilities and whatnot. That would make sense, but not as a replacement cost for MP.

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Post by Jeremi on October 9th 2013, 8:34 am

...So, I'm confused. Has/will the Drive System be implemented, or, not?

The user support for it seems to be overwhelming.

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Post by Shirou on October 9th 2013, 9:13 am

It will not. A proper system and balance couldn't be found.

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