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Post by Etzolix on July 10th 2009, 6:48 pm

Nobody_Trickster wrote: Azumi ,mike,niggy, chicken and morph are really the ones around who know wtf is going on and why the site is failing

"Users like to be included and talked to by vet members."

This is an example of how some of the assholes of "ESG" treat regulars on the site. They aren't important, they're just "users" and we should give more of a shit about people who are "vets". (Name one "vet" who has never interacted with other site members via skype or another IM system)

They treat them as if they aren't important and they should feel honored to have any interaction with people considered "vets".

If anything I learned from working at perotsystems this last few weeks it's that if the higher ups didn't respect the people that work for em and make them feel like their important and in the loop. Nothing would get done at all.

IN the end of things, if you take out the "users". this site wouldn't be shit. Slowly this is happening to this now bullshit site.

I only wish I realized this a year ago.

There ya go.

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Post by Shirou on July 10th 2009, 7:14 pm

haha, there are cliques even in forums, eh?

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Post by Leo on July 10th 2009, 7:16 pm

Dang...Tricky is exactly right.

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Post by Azumi Cho on July 10th 2009, 8:52 pm

Um, wow...thanks, Tricky...I guess...I don't really know what to say, other than I'm foolish enough to try and maybe reverse the process...I'll need help though, and frankly I may not get it, but I don't want the site to die; I want it to change...any suggestions, Tricky? (If he feels like posting another message, if it can be conveyed...)

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Post by Lance on July 10th 2009, 11:07 pm

its kinda like at my job, we aren't co-workers,(now warning, this is kinda lame, but it works) we are partners. we work together, and there is that mutual respect, but thats it. tricky was awesome. when i talked to him on occasion, he wasnt stuck up or anything, its like he was a noob like i was.

(fyi, i have been here before. from the last site)
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Post by Lensilrist on July 11th 2009, 4:29 am

ok in all honestly people i keeps sounding like you all hate us for just being here and being close friends with each cause of how we all first meet. we all started in pms and rpging just like the rest of you and just got close with IM like skpye or msn which any of you can if you made efforts to know as just as some of us true to you know guys. How many of you got pms from me asking how are you and whats happens to you guys in everyday lives? Belive or not its pretty fair to say we don't know all you you just yet, maybe we don't make enough of an effort and maybe makes ourselves too scary to approached but have you tried asking us? we never said were don't like talking to people outside rpgs.

And just to let you all know who seem to love to bash us for everything is that we do try everything we do to make this place lively for you. polls for your guys decisions like the ships, new ways of attacks and ways to rpg, special events coming up that take a long time to plan just cause we want it to be good. we thought it was more interesting for everyone.

truth be told in all honesti don't know why you guys feel we shut you guys out, we don't treat ourselves any better then you guys and its harder to get to know all of you when pms are so slow thats why we use skype or other IM and if you don't also try to know us. frankly we all feel like were getting attacking for doing the work we thought was helping everyone and now a days it seems like its going under appreciated, we can't please everyone but we do what we can. many of us just want to leave now cause it does not seem worth it anymore so did you really all dislike that much?

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Post by Guest on July 11th 2009, 4:44 am

Chicken, why'd you put this on here? We already established the fact that we're not treating users right. There's honestly no use in quoting a member of the site who never comes back anymore.

It's blatantly obvious that yes, we do need to do something. Right now, we're a little dead thanks to user activity. Vets keep making topics, and then they yell at people (Biscuits, you're the main culprit on this one,) for entering them. Sure it's your revival, but did Steve yell at people when HE came back to live? No. I know there are certain users you don't like, but Bisc, you have to suck it up man.
I mean, yeah, the yelling doesn't make people want to stay here dude, seriously.

From the impression I gather from some of the ESG, they pretty much find users annoying. Of course, some people don't feel that way about all the users, but I can name some people in that group who find CERTAIN members annoying. (You know who you are.) As staff, it's YOUR job to serve and guide the users and make them comfortable. You need patience...and honestly, being a little more active with users instead of fellow staff and ESG members couldn't hurt either.
I'd suggest perhaps an event, since we haven't had a decent one since the Chernabog thing, BUT since we're doing that tournament, that could take a little effort. I'm not saying we should cancel it, and I'm not blaming the staff since there's really only two active members in it right now. ((Lenneth and Yima.))


Now for the users' address:

We need to connect more to non-staff, and make them feel more at home with not only the staff, but normal users as well. But we shouldn't blame the staff, because they aren't the only ones who can make topics you know? It's up to us to make sure that we interact with one another.

For right now guys, the whining and complaining about this user friendly stuff isn't going to help. We have NO staff to help us with that. Riku, Kairi, Biscuits, and Pinky are gone right now, and Roxas is hardly ever around (he's excused, he's in college.). We're just going to have to figure out how to open up to our fellow users, as users.
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Post by Forte on July 11th 2009, 8:21 am

From what I find, sometimes interacting with the users can make them seem less annoying, I think observing and actually talking to that person(And I mean talking on the chat box or PMs, those kinda things), can be more fun and stuff. Sometimes all you need is to realize one thing : that nobody ever starts out abiding by the rules and knowing everything, I guess. It's all the steps to learning the ropes that matters. Xemnas, I can relate to what you said, and I will admit that I do get annoyed at some users, but I can say that the hate can go away eventually.

EDIT : Lenny does have a point, friendships actually do start with the initiative of PMs, don't be afraid. I dare say I have an example, however lame it might sound. There's a teacher at school, who is assigned to mass workout latecomer's punishment. After mass workout he pretty much punishes everyone and forces them to do workout, and his idea of workout is vastly different to that of the workout at school. Anyways, recently I had to see him after school because of persistent latecoming, where we worked out a plan, and in person, when he actually spoke to me one to one, I actually realized that he had a different side, he wasn't actually that strict, "I'ma fucking kill you" kind of guy, it's just the sides he had to adopt for different jobs and purposes, and I guess it's the fact that if you don't do anything wrong, you'll definitely stay on someone's good side, but of course, there exist grouchy people, but sometimes, all it takes is a smile, a warm greeting and the initiative to get to know people to start a friendship and to get to know someone better.

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Post by Etzolix on July 11th 2009, 11:19 am

Trickster asked me too. Nuff said, Xemmy; It was a favor.

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Post by Azumi Cho on July 11th 2009, 3:17 pm

Xemnas, I want to thank you. Finally, someone gets what I meant when I said "have patience" and "it's the users' faults too", though not so bluntly. Lenny, as I said, I'm sorry for making you feel that way, if I have, and I'm going to try and help out as much as I can with advertising and welcoming members, but I can't do it (at this point, because Pinky's away, and Yima's busy with the site) alone. Even two or three people aren't enough to help out, though it does help a little, but we need more willing members to help get the word out. Anyone willing to help and need ideas of what to do, let me know. Also, if, say, we could make a board to welcome new members, that may help too. Just my suggestions. I realize life happens, and plans are destroyed, but if that happens, try again and let someone know you haven't given up yet. We can do this, but it will take time and effort...and before you go bashing anyone, look at yourself and make sure you aren't just the same as the person you intend to chew out.

I'm not bashing anyone. I try not to, and sorry if it came across that way at any point or time. The staff is doing their jobs, so let's see if we can understand that and have patience with them while we try to be more welcoming of others.

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Post by Guest on July 11th 2009, 3:47 pm

Agreed. See? When we talk things out, we begin to bond a little...and win a little r-e-s-p-e-c-t! from one another.
So...who actually has a plan now that we've acknowledged twice that we're in trouble? Leo's only agreeing with Tricky just to agree.
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Post by Azumi Cho on July 11th 2009, 4:13 pm

I might. Ok, this will probably take some time to explain, so bear with me. Normal users have patience and understanding with the staff. Try to talk with them and see what they need help with. Also, talk to other users and see if you can help them (this is including my efforts as well). Work with each other, and for the love of Pete, stop bickering! I know it's easier said then done, but try. Normal users also spread the word of this site out in any way possible...penpals, siblings, friends, youtube, Myspace, Twitter, any site you are joined up to, I don't care how you do it, just lend a helping hand.

Staff be more accepting of PMs that are meant to connect you to users, if you aren't already. Maybe set up tasks that users can do so they feel like they're worth something and not worthless. Brainstorm with them about ideas for the site, rp with them if possible. Set up a site wide story, so maybe the newer ones will join in. Show us your human sides with funny videos off of YouTube of yourself away from the site, if you want, or tell stories, just try to relate with the users. If you find someone annoying, let them down easy and tell them why; it actually hurts less than feeling like everyone hates you, and, you may even reconcile with the person who annoys you. It's worth the try, at least. I would also suggest setting up a welcoming board and a trigger board for the users, because maybe they would like to state a problem and have it resolved. The welcoming board would definitely make the newcomers feel a little more comfortable around here.

These are all just my thoughts and suggestions. Use them if you want, or dismiss them, I'm just saying some type of strategy to get the gears of minds turning in others.

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Post by Jet Enduro on July 11th 2009, 11:32 pm

Heres the thing...most of the staff well just about all of the staff people have problems with trusting just any random person (was going to put joe xD) so most of the times we tend to talk to the same people that we are used to talking to. Then after a while it starts to grow into a friendship. Now we dont go right out and say your not allowed to join us...we hate you...(i dont count when im pissed off) you can talk to us at anytime you want. YOU can join us anytime you want. Hell we have mostly Normal users talking to us on skype and the whole "ESG" thing was more of a off site name for us just to shorten it. Either morph or riku named us hell i cant remember who actually...it could have been bob sagot. But we have no problems talking to you... HOWEVER remember most of us are 18+ so a lot of our jokes are adult based. Of course the few that are younger have no problem with it since they have their own fun with it. Since most of our chats are based off of skype yes we do have a lot of inside jokes that go with a lot of what we say.

So I dont see how a few people are causing the site to be messed up. Since most of the site is composed of normal users its also on your hands to help us out too. We dont know what kind of RPs you want. We dont know what you want to do as an event. We dont know what would be fun for you or what worlds we should add. We are only 3-5 people while the rest 100+ of you are the users (counting total almost. not just the main active bunch). You guys can chime up and say something at any time....we will listen...its our job to...we dont crush creativity we help spark it. Hell I asked to site to come up with a new header for the us....no one did anything for it...I made a tag team tournament a few signed up...then left...you cant just blame a group of people because they are the most talked about....its easy to blame and point fingers...its harder to take responsibility for your own actions. So instead of making the blame game...why dont we just do what we do best. RP our assess to the bone...then keep going until we have stubs for hands!

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Post by Azumi Cho on July 11th 2009, 11:42 pm

Sounds like a good plan, Biscuits...so...let's all do our part, everyone...yeah, let's help out the staff as much as possible...and not give up! But, may I also make a suggestion to make polls so that you guys do know what the users want? That may help us both out...users and staff...

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Post by Guest on July 12th 2009, 5:14 am

Indeedy. So, I'm gonna go spam the fuck out of myspace.

Somebody get Twitter covered, because I'm not getting within a seventy foot radius of it.
Someone needs to get Facebook.

Find any Kingdom Hearts Clubs with many users and post an advertisement. I'm working on the same project Pinky was working on with the "mega poster of advertisment doom" thing...which looks cool, I just have to finish the thing.... .-. I'm going to get like...a format for advertisements or something so you can just copy/paste onto said website.
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Post by Azumi Cho on July 12th 2009, 3:55 pm

I think I can get Facebook, to a certain extent...I already have a group made, but it's just me...but, I could try making a fan page...anything else I can do?

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Post by Guest on July 12th 2009, 4:01 pm

Spam the living daylights out of other groups if possible. What formatting does facebook use? Because I have a myspace code and I've been through about 20 pages of myspace groups in the past 30 minutes. x3

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I put up a code. It took me forever to figure out the password to Pinky's photobucket. -__- It's like, THE last thing you'd ever think she'd put on there, I swear.
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Post by MorpheusZero on July 12th 2009, 4:16 pm

Xemnas there are errors in your code... >.>

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Post by Azumi Cho on July 12th 2009, 5:16 pm

The best I could come up with: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingdom-Hearts-RPG-httpkingdomheartsforumotionnetforumhtm-/101163186233 People here become a fan, so it gets noticed!

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Post by Leo on July 13th 2009, 6:34 pm

Alright, I've hit up some KH groups on myspace, perhaps they'll strike someone's interest.

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