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Post by Tororu on March 31st 2014, 11:50 am

As some of you know, I have since gotten rid of a copying ability I forgot was banned by the site. I was thinking that though some of those that are on there surly deserve to be there for now maybe we can start getting a them one by one or so. I wanted to start out with copying abilities since that is one that would affect me most.

I think as long as copying abilities are restricted from certain things such as Race specific spells, transformations, and summons, that moves like copycat would be much fairer to use. Most copy spells would normally be good for basic to intermediate spells to began with for only one use. Anything that would take time to charge or take effect would be reduced to its weakest state, or just reduce it to a far weaker power.

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Post by Salem on March 31st 2014, 11:56 am

The only abilities that should be restricted are:

-Absolutes
-Time Travel
-World Destruction.

Even copying race specific abilities should be fine, since this isn't Naruto. The only thing that shouldn't be copied is if those abilities are natural extensions and not techniques.

For example, if someone normally has three arms, you can't copy having three arms, you would need a separate ability to do that.

The same is applicable of the Heartless Sense, it isn't an ability of theirs, it's just an extra sense.

Aside that, we have to follow the lore, which defines everything else for us.
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Post by Azmot on March 31st 2014, 12:38 pm

Agreed
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Post by Onyx on March 31st 2014, 1:09 pm

While I do agree to this I would like more opinions whether you simply say agree with Salem or have a full an entire reason why; opinions are needed. It's a community I would like the communities overall opinion.

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Post by Ace Kageki on March 31st 2014, 1:18 pm

I don't really care about this tbh, but taking other people's creations even for a short period or having it weaker is kinda bad since some spells have "Requirements" and Toruro doesn't fall under all of those.

My Opinion stated that some abilities shouldnt be able to be copyed because of requirements.

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Post by Salem on March 31st 2014, 1:20 pm

What about the other restricted abilities? Not just copying, but everything else on the list.
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Post by Tororu on March 31st 2014, 1:22 pm

the only requirements that I see being the problem are those listed above that I already covered. I haven't seen anything else really that would be a problem.

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Post by Salem on March 31st 2014, 1:24 pm

Also, inherent mastery over abilities you have no familiarity would be abuse of the power, since you're giving your character knowledge they wouldn't have with the ability.

Also, copying powers that you don't know about isn't allowed, due to metagaming.

I'm merely pointing those out, because not everyone will be familiar with the site's rules. The latter is more so to prevent Pokemon-esque moves that run similarly.
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Post by Azmot on March 31st 2014, 4:48 pm

Aka, Copycat.
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Post by Ace Kageki on March 31st 2014, 5:04 pm

Requirements: Be able to summon at least one other Zodiac Spirit.


This Toruro is a requirement.

It doesn't specifically have to be a race only requirement it could be like this "Requirement:Be Tyler"

This would mean you can't copy it beause you have to be required to be Tyler.

So yeah, I'm not seeing you use some of these spells.

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Post by Tororu on March 31st 2014, 11:16 pm

Then I don't see how copying can be banned if the only thing that could possibly be copied are basic elemental spells if that, so by yall's logic it is impossible to copy an ability.


edit: I pretty much don't care anymore so hash it out amongst yourselves.


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Post by Salem on March 31st 2014, 11:27 pm

Most requirements are superficial. He's wouldn't be bringing in the exact summon, he'd bring in a copy with the abilities he was aware of.

He doesn't need that requirement, because he's not summoning the summon, just creating a copy.

Also, for a spell, he isn't using the spell, but a copy of it.

Also, most requirements aren't sensible. You're telling me that I can't copy someone's firebending, because they're requirement is to be them or something unrelated? I can easily create my own version, that's more efficient and powerful.

To be fair, that's what copying is anyway. You're not using their ability, you're recreating their ability in your own way, with the knowledge you have.

It'd be different for power stealing, which is controlling someone else's character anyway.
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Post by Ace Kageki on April 1st 2014, 10:40 am

I see your point, but still not backing off my argument.


Just seeing someone shouldn't give him knowledge to use it. Their is more to fire bending than looking at your hands and them catching flame. A pyromancer has to feel the heat and chemically create fire.

Magic is like Science

If he took the blow how is he gonna copy intelligence??? I'm just not seeing it at all I think to copy sounds kinda like bullshit because of this. I really don't wanna be a dick about it, but I mean really how is he gonna just copy the mental remembrance if doing the spell just seeing them make a fireball in their hand?

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Post by Salem on April 1st 2014, 12:34 pm

I've already addressed that.

Salem wrote:Also, inherent mastery over abilities you have no familiarity would be abuse of the power, since you're giving your character knowledge they wouldn't have with the ability
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Post by Ace Kageki on April 1st 2014, 1:02 pm

Okay then.

Well whatever I guess I rest my case on this one.

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