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Post by Etzolix on March 2nd 2014, 11:38 pm

If you want to PM your frustrations out, then my inbox is open. Completely confidential, obviously.
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Post by Terami on March 3rd 2014, 1:11 am

ok I have serious questions about the admins here
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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:24 am

Hm?
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Post by Onyx on March 3rd 2014, 1:26 am

What's up?

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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:29 am

well it is nothing I can really help, but just doing some research as to why Yin was able to get a world after being around for at most 5 days and for Munin to be denied hers even with some involvement as she had.

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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:29 am

To be honost I made that comment while still a little riled up

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:30 am

I don't think it was based solely on how long someone was around, but how it was done lol.
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:32 am

I still think the admins should make it clearer what we need to do to gain a world. The rules don't match what the admins are saying and it is getting confusing. Plus who are we striving to prove? The admins that we can rp as a ruler or the "citizens" that we are capable of protecting them? And in that case, if we are trying to appease the citizens we need someone to play the citizen to more accurately depict the situation.


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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:34 am

But I am also irritated how it always seems that something happens when I am doing some good character development with another character.

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:38 am

Ruling a world makes more sense than protecting. Being the strongest person in the universe doesn't mean you know how to run a world, then again, it depends on the world itself.

Different worlds require different things. Mind you, all of this is just my opinion. I don't think Munin's topic made sense for convincing the world of the dead as to why she should be their leader.

I don't even understand why the Underworld had a government in the way it was being described, however, this may be my ignorance of The Underworld's history or whatever.

So, feel free to correct me with proof (Wiki's fine obvs), otherwise, it just seems like made up facts in order to justify winning the people over.
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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:40 am

I think a lot of it should make sense with the canon of the world, but we don't particularly follow that, which makes things not make a lot of sense in terms of how worlds even function.

Eventually, things like this are likely being decided amongst the members when the World NPC account, hopefully, becomes a thing.
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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:43 am

Also, failing to gain power in a world is development in itself. Failure is a great way to develop a character and help them grow. The only issue I see with you having trouble with development in this situation is Tyler not wanting to RP as Munin for now, which admittedly sucks.

But even then, your character can develop due to Munin's distance after failure of the obtaining the world. What does it mean to him now that she's distant? How does he respond to failure? Is it a rare occurrence? A consistent thing? How does he feel knowing he's failed someone else, opposed to himself? What makes the situation different than the other's he's dealt with.

If it isn't any different, then this is something else he can tally up. Maybe this can help him try new methods of doing things if his current methods aren't working. Etc. etc. There are a bunch of ways to tackle development. If you ever need help, let me know.
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:47 am

Isn't that how we have to do it then? We are not given any problems that we can solve to gain fame or infamy to its citizens. We as rpers have to make them up.

I will use Yin's as an example. How did anyone know without him saying it in a topic that there was already civil unrest? How do we or the admins know that until he had made that the situation? If there is a topic that would prove me wrong then alright.

But the point is, without any clear idea the state of a (anarchy) world is then how can we hope to really know what needs to be done to gain the civi's trust?

Also as far as I can tell, In any incarnation of Hell or the underworld, there is always someone watching over things to make sure things went as they should. Either it be the comedic Hades flushing souls around or a devil/saten ruling from another level.

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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:49 am

I understand what your are saying. That is pretty much how my story arc with Terami was thought up was because he failed taking Halloween town. I just think that the staff is giving us too little to go one when it comes to hostile take overs and making it a little more difficult than it really needs to be to take one.

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 1:52 am

You answered it yourself: You make them up.

The only stipulation is that it has to make sense with what the world is and what your character can offer to that world. It also depends on how your character goes about it, they could be perfect for the position of leading a peaceful world, but if their first action is to slaughter an innocent, how can you believe what they say?
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 1:56 am

But again it is all...what's the word...based on the opinion of the staff. If one or more think one thing doesn't make sense they scrap it, but when we find inconsistencies with what they do we are told "Tough luck, deal with it." That is how I feel about it. The least a staff member could do is offer advise on the next time around. I mean its not like that there are members beating down the door to become world leaders.

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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 2:00 am

This brings up another point I want to bring up. Besides not changing the rules. I think we should still use the old system in that case so that again people don't just lose something they should have gained by working hard.

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 2:05 am

They do, to some degree. All you have to do is think about it and not look at it in face value. Read deeper into what they ask and connect thoughts further.

i.e

Munin does not have enough of a reputation to stake her claim on a peaceful world with so much ease.

Have her do something in the world that proves her value. As mentioned above, create a problem that is logical within the world, and have her be able to solve it.

A battle against a defender who has no ties whatsoever to the people of the Underworld isn't enough to properly takeover a world.

Essentially, focus on the world's citizens itself, not any randoms that you have to battle. Winning a fight does not necessarily mean you're fit to rule. Although, this depends on the world.

But, this specifically focuses on fighting someone of little relevance to the world itself will get you nothing.

Her interaction with the population was extremely lacking and did little to convince them that she was worthy of taking the throne. Even if she knows the government mentioned in the topic, it's hard to believe that they'd actually want her to be on the throne above other people, at least not with the information provided in your posts

Have her interact more. It's pretty self explanatory the advice given there.


Also, obviously. Everything is based on opinions, that's something you're going to have to deal with because even when given to the members...it's based on their opinions. If you're in charge...it's based on your opinion. We know what an apple is, we don't need to be reminded.

Also, in the old system that's still an issue? No matter what system you're in, that is an issue. Unless you mean just fighting, in which case, that doesn't make sense with telling a STORY, which should be the focus of it all.


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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 2:06 am

Mind you, this is all my opinion. I don't know anything more about their opinions or anything than you do.

I'm just a big advocate of logic. This also means I'm not content with all of the rules in place either, but if you can't make logical points against why you have an issue with something, it won't get you anywhere. So, usually, you have to tackle things at a certain angle.
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 2:10 am

Usually I like to tackle from behind and drop elbows on my problems head. lol

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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 2:12 am

Hey is it ok if I edit a post to make it longer if no one posted in a topic?

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 2:12 am

lol, excuse my long windedness. I tend to go into tangents that typically speak on more than just the current issue being discussed.

Also, yeah. I don't see an issue.
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 2:15 am

You think I pester people too much when I am not posting for a topic? I feel like I kind of start to complain when I am bored.

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Post by Etzolix on March 3rd 2014, 2:19 am

I'm not around all the time, so I wouldn't know, but if you feel that you complain too much, then you probably do.
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Post by Zeferoth on March 3rd 2014, 2:23 am

hmmm

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